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#1 User is offline   dburn 

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Posted 2010-December-22, 21:01



Game all, IMPs, opponents both solid players, partner equally solid if not more so.

1 showed 5+ cards in the context of a 2/1 system with no strong opening except 2. Your double of 3 would be for takeout.

Do you agree with East's pass over 3? If not, what call do you make?
Having taken over from an East who passed over 3, what call do you now make?
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Posted 2010-December-22, 22:15

I'm thinking of passing. 3NT is another option. 4 if I'm very optimistic. But I'm passing.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2010-December-22, 22:22

Pass
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Posted 2010-December-22, 22:30

Pass for me. No need to gamble on bringing in a game. If NS were NV I'd be tempted to try it.
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Posted 2010-December-23, 03:20

It was probably worth doubling on the first round just to prevent the problem that we now face. I'd pass now knowing full well that I've missed six or seven diamonds.
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Posted 2010-December-23, 05:18

View Postpaulg, on 2010-December-23, 03:20, said:

It was probably worth doubling on the first round just to prevent the problem that we now face.
Same for me. (I prefer to bid my values asap)

View Postpaulg, on 2010-December-23, 03:20, said:

I'd pass now knowing full well that I've missed six or seven diamonds.

I pass now. Not so much afraid to miss slam, but I feel like any other call then pass is a gamble.
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Posted 2010-December-23, 07:28

View Postdburn, on 2010-December-22, 21:01, said:


1a. Do you agree with East's pass over 3?
1b. If not, what call do you make?
2. Having taken over from an East who passed over 3, what call do you now make?


1a. I'm ok with it, on grounds that pard is likely to be short in hearts and thus will balance on just about any excuse.

1b. Might have considered a take-out dbl as well. (I'm guessing in real life East hesitated here, lol.)

2. Anything comes to mind. Pass, 4 or 5, 4 cue... even 3NT is likely to work, as LHO would probably have bid 4 with a solid 7 card suit. In practice it will depend on how I feel, match status and table vibes. On the conditions shown, I'd probably try 4, intending to follow-up with 5.
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Posted 2010-December-23, 07:38

5 only, not sure if I would had passed but it worked well
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Posted 2010-December-23, 07:53

4 then 5. The most encouraging and flexible approach I can think of.

No guarantees of success, but our values should surely be adequate. We will have many slams. I don't like pass. Too random and too final. Partner may be void. A priori he is 1/4 of the time if RHO has seven hearts.

Pass was fine on the first round with this length in hearts. Partner will often reopen when we have a game.
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Posted 2010-December-23, 17:05

1) besides being hosed for a call over 3 it seems perforce the correct choice.

2)Do I still have any green cards left in my bidding box if I have none I guess I will have to use a red one :)
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Posted 2010-December-23, 17:15

I like pass a lot here. Strongly fancy my chances of +500 without breaking a sweat, and no guarantees of game my way. Even if we do have one, +600 vs +500 is no disaster.
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Posted 2010-December-23, 17:34

View Postdburn, on 2010-December-22, 21:01, said:


Game all, IMPs, opponents both solid players, partner equally solid if not more so.
1 showed 5+ cards in the context of a 2/1 system with no strong opening except 2. Your double of 3 would be for takeout.
Do you agree with East's pass over 3? If not, what call do you make?
Having taken over from an East who passed over 3, what call do you now make?
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  • After (3): _P = 10, _X = 4 , 4 = 3. With a singleton spade, double is is an overbid.
  • Now, after (3) _X: 4 = 10, 5 = 9, _P = 8, 4 = 7, 3N = 6. You are good for your pass but 4 and 5 take partner's double quite seriously. Still, 5 has play opposite say KJxxx - Qxxx AKJx. If he has a better hand, then slam may be possible.

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Posted 2010-December-23, 17:50

View Postmfa1010, on 2010-December-23, 07:53, said:

4 then 5. The most encouraging and flexible approach I can think of.

No guarantees of success, but our values should surely be adequate. We will have many slams. I don't like pass. Too random and too final. Partner may be void. A priori he is 1/4 of the time if RHO has seven hearts.

Pass was fine on the first round with this length in hearts. Partner will often reopen when we have a game.

I like this choice. I confess my first reaction was to try 3N, on the grounds that it is unlikely that they can run hearts, but that gives up on slam and is incredibly committal. 4 then 5 should be understood as a slam-interested 5 call.

He should take the push with a good-fitting hand such as AKxxx x Qxx AKxx, altho we may want him to have some good diamond spots B)

I don't think he should read overly much into this sequence because we did limit ourselves by our initial pass....I guess we could be a tad stronger, but not by much.
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Posted 2010-December-23, 18:22

View Postdburn, on 2010-December-22, 21:01, said:



Game all, IMPs, opponents both solid players, partner equally solid if not more so.

1 showed 5+ cards in the context of a 2/1 system with no strong opening except 2. Your double of 3 would be for takeout.

Do you agree with East's pass over 3? If not, what call do you make?
Having taken over from an East who passed over 3, what call do you now make?



Pass
expect pard to be 5=1=3=4

bidding minor suit slams very tough after this start.

3nt is close second choice.

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OTOH I think bidding pass then bidding 4h then bidding 5d is very deep bridge.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 04:57

I also like the 4H.. 5D route, and like mikeh I didn't think of it myself either.

I think that passing will most often lead to +200, with +500 more likely than 3HX exactly making and anything else rare. I think it is severely against the odds compared with playing 5D.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-December-24, 14:51

I really don't like 3NT. I would also go with the 4H...5H route, although pass is not insane.
I could live with double on the first round, though I am happy with the pass. Make one of the hearts a spade and double would seem automatic.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 16:34

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2010-December-24, 14:51, said:

Make one of the hearts a spade and double would seem automatic.

I agree with this and I also like the initial pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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