[jillybean]

MP

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[blackshoe]

pass.

[mgoetze]

2♥ if playing Muiderberg. 2♦ if playing Wilkosz. 3♦ otherwise.

[mcphee]

Pass, I am sure we can get in later and have better information. Sorry but opening 3D requires a sanity check.

[gwnn]

I won't pass. I will open some number of diamonds. Sorry for being so vague jillybean but I would have to be at the table to decide how many.

[Flameous]

I'd open 2D multi, and tell partner I forgot the system afterwards

[jillybean]

Sorry, multi 2♦ is not avilable. This is a BBO tournament that bans Multi, Muiderberg, Wilkosz, Polish club and psyches.

[mgoetze]

jillybean, on 2010-December-17, 09:16, said:

Sorry, multi 2♦ is not avilable. This is a BBO tournament that bans Multi, Muiderberg, Wilkosz, Polish club and psyches.

Jilly, this is the Beginner and Intermediate Bridge Discussion forum here! We only want to talk about Bridge!

[mtvesuvius]

I think I'd pass... I'm ready to apologize to partner if he passed with AKQJTxxxxx x x x.

[Gerben42]

2NT could work, if partner transfers to Spades I pass

The hand would have been more perfect if I had Clubs and Hearts but you can't have it all.

[Antraxxx]

mcphee, on 2010-December-17, 07:32, said:

Pass, I am sure we can get in later and have better information. Sorry but opening 3D requires a sanity check.

I'm sorry, could you explain why? There's clearly some principle at work here I'm not getting. High card point-wise, our pair has less than the other pair. So while we have a wacky shape, there's no reason to assume we have a chance at anything positive. On the other hand, the opponents most likely have a fit, so it's probably best to force them to do so at a high level. So, my naive reasoning says to open 3D, which describes this hand (I was taught you can relax a bit about pre-empts in the third seat, and this qualifies: right amount of HCP, right suit length, wrong suit quality).
Is the idea behind passing to hide the hand distributions from whoever would eventually become declarer? I realise the reasoning above is obvious to most everyone here and was apparently rejected, but I really don't see what makes this hand so special.

[mikeh]

I'd open 3♦. I just can't bring myself to pass and give LHO a free shot and, in all probability, rho an opportunity to describe/limit his hand. Plus if I pass, I have no really safe way back into the auction. Any two-suited takeout I make will force to the 3 level anyway, and the opps will have a relatively easy task in the auction...compared to my starting my preemption now.

This approach could obviously fail, especially if we belong in hearts and can't get there now. But mps is a game of frequency of gain/loss not size of gain/loss. We will, by opening 3♦ occasionally lose very big, often break even (the opps own the hand and nothing we do will slow them down or derail them) and, imo frequently result in small to large gains.

In addition, bidding here makes you a difficult opponent to play against, compared to those who pass. I cannot over-emphasize how important it is, from this perspective, that you are in 3rd seat....in 1st or 2nd, lacking a 2-suited opening, I would always pass.

[JLOGIC]

Weird hand. Usually I would open 4D with this shape/HCP but my diamonds are so bad/defense is good enough that they might not make anything/etc that it would be pretty crazy to do that on this hand imo. The only other option is 3D. It seems wimpy. If partner raises me and they bid 4S I will bid 5D (not generally a good thing to do!). Most likely partner won't raise me and we might miss a good save here or there, but as I said I'm not willing to open 4D with A seventh vul.

[Phil]

2♥ for me. I'd like a heart lead in most cases unless partner has a stiff diamond or the ♣AK. I get a little preemption and get to limit my hand. My 2nd choice is 3♥, but thats reckless r/r.

I hate diamond preempts more with the Ace and the shabby suit. R/R I don't want to give up 100 a trick. Furthermore if partner leads a diamond, I'd like to have some idea if its a stiff or not, and I don't have the read if I preempt.

[jillybean]

I want to open 1♥, I hate burrying this nice ♥ suit.

The hand was not from a "no multi, polish club, muiderberg, wilkosz, no psyhce" tournament but given to me by a friend. He now tells me he held this in 1st seat, and opened 1♥

[Phil]

jillybean, on 2010-December-17, 16:20, said:

I want to open 1♥, I hate burrying this nice ♥ suit.

The hand was not from a "no multi, polish club, muiderberg, wilkosz, no psyhce" tournament but given to me by a friend. He now tells me he held this in 1st seat, and opened 1♥

Now don't be dissing Inquiry

26 ZARS!

[jillybean]

Phil, on 2010-December-17, 16:22, said:

Now don't be dissing Inquiry

26 ZARS!

LOL No, this is a hand from Vancouver, not Florida.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

With 6-5 in the red I am willig to discuss 1H as some kind of lead director,
not my style, but I can understand it.

But I have 7-5, I will pass and generate action in the next round, maybe I get
a warning about bad breaks - than I am happy to have passed, otherwise I wont
let them play on the 4 level.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[nigel_k]

Agree with 3♦. Partner's diamond holding will be key to determining how high we should bid and this gives him a chance to raise and also warns him off attempting to bid his own suit. Plus the preemptive value. Of course it could turn out very badly if partner is 5-5 in the majors or something like that.

[han]

A 7-count with 7-5 distribution, short spades and in third seat, I think pass is terrible. Anything could work including several psyches, but I think I would bid my longest suit.