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#1 User is offline   jillybean 

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Posted 2010-October-29, 23:41

82, K54, A983, T843

MP's, dealer north

1♠ (2♥) P (P)
4♣ (P) ?


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Posted 2010-October-30, 01:50

View Postjillybean, on 2010-October-29, 23:41, said:

82, K54, A983, T843

MP's, dealer north

1♠ (2♥) P (P)
4♣ (P) ?


and, Happy Halloween !


5♣

Although maybe 4♠ has appeal at matchpoints as the ♥K affords some protection against a force even if the spade support is weak.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 03:59

2-card discrepancy is too much for me: 5♣

I tend to think "which bid would I least be upset if I was wrong" in times like this. I find it much more effective than "which bid is right". i.e. if I bid 5♣ and it was right to bid 4♠ I would shrug, but vice-versa I would feel like I'd bent normality and would hope partner would be understanding. Perhaps that's just my weird mind though.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 06:48

I wonder:
Should 4♣ be forcing here?
I would take 4♣ as forcing and would consider a 4♦ bid.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 06:57

"as the ♥K affords some protection against a force" what does this mean Wayne?
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Posted 2010-October-30, 08:25

What Wayne means is that in 4♠, the ♥K acts as a "stopper", preventing them from easily shortening your trumps in hand.

The main problem with 4♠ is that you may get tapped out before you can establish your Club suit. I think I would bid 4♠ at MPs, however I believe this is a very clear 5♣ call at IMPs.

The ♥K should hopefully give us just enough tempo to get everything done, however I will be ready to apologize to partner if this is the wrong decision... Matchpoints do awful things to people :lol:
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Posted 2010-October-30, 10:54

4♠. Partner is either 6-5 with good suits or 5-5 with great suits. In either case I am not worried about the tap.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 15:32

View PostAnt590, on 2010-October-30, 03:59, said:

2-card discrepancy is too much for me: 5♣

I tend to think "which bid would I least be upset if I was wrong" in times like this. I find it much more effective than "which bid is right". i.e. if I bid 5♣ and it was right to bid 4♠ I would shrug, but vice-versa I would feel like I'd bent normality and would hope partner would be understanding. Perhaps that's just my weird mind though.


I was taught early on to bid to win the post mortem and if partner wasn't looking for a club raise, why did he jump in them?

However, I could hardly have more and would cue 4♥ on the way to 5♣ or 6. I know, 4♦ should be a cue but I'm not going to put pard on the spot. No doubt pard will tank over this barring me, place the final contract and I win the post mortem.
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Posted 2010-October-30, 16:36

View Postggwhiz, on 2010-October-30, 15:32, said:

I was taught early on to bid to win the post mortem


Playing postmortem bridge never ends well.
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Posted 2010-November-01, 10:31

Don't try to win the post-mortem. But faced with a choice that you can't otherwise resolve, make the bid that won't *lose* the post-mortem. Not to win it if it was wrong, of course...
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Posted 2010-November-05, 06:47

do people play 4H here as COG, and if you had that would you bid that? or would that suggest 2-3 in the blacks? I suspect with 2-3 you should always just bid 6s as partner is somewhat likely to be 6-5 (he should not canape if strong i think). Still, if i had COG avaliable i might bid that: if partner has say,

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4s might have better play. And this is not that unlikely IMO.
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Posted 2010-November-05, 07:22

Yeah 4♥ should be choice of game IMHO and I bid that. Let partner answer the OP question :)

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Posted 2010-November-05, 08:11

4♣ is NF, I want to let partner decide between 4♠ and 5♣, so 4♥ seems the best bid here.
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