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Just do it? dissecting a distaster...

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Posted 2010-July-06, 05:12

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South 1NT - North 3NT.

You choose to lead the J - 3, 4, K. Here partner shows reverse count, low from doubleton, etc. With the 9xx in dummy partner is unlikely to unblock Q from Qx.

Trick 2: J, 4, 6, 7. Partner's 7 is reverse smith. Essentially, he would play a small heart with Q and a big one without Q.
Trick 3: 2 ...

Decision time. If you win, please state your defense when partner complete his smith's signal with either 5 or T.

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Posted 2010-July-06, 05:19

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 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2010-July-06, 07:05

It might be right to win and, if partner completes a peter, switch to spades, catering for Jx KJ0x Qxxx AKQ. On the other hand, if declarer has Qxx KJ10x xxx AKQ that would be bad. I expect that partner would play high-low on either of these layouts. Maybe it's just a guess.
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Posted 2010-July-06, 08:19

gnasher, on Jul 6 2010, 08:05 AM, said:

KJ0x

=?!

Jx KJTx QTx AKQ
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Posted 2010-July-06, 09:31

wclass___, on Jul 6 2010, 03:19 PM, said:

gnasher, on Jul 6 2010, 08:05 AM, said:

KJ0x

=?!

I meant KJ10x.

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Jx KJTx QTx AKQ

At least my example hand contained 13 cards, even if one of them was a zero. Yours seems to have only 12.
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Posted 2010-July-06, 17:48

meant Jxx :D
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Posted 2010-July-07, 01:06

With the 9 in dummy, I wonder if partner would consider the 10 too valuable for a Smith peter and hence you can deduce little if he plays it on the second round?
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Posted 2010-July-07, 01:30

cardsharp, on Jul 7 2010, 08:06 AM, said:

With the 9 in dummy, I wonder if partner would consider the 10 too valuable for a Smith peter and hence you can deduce little if he plays it on the second round?

I think it depends on his spade holding. With very strong spades where he knows that a spade is likely to be necessary he would play the 10; with a hand where he doesn't see an urgent need for a spade switch he wouldn't.
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Posted 2010-July-07, 05:27

gnasher, on Jul 7 2010, 09:30 AM, said:

cardsharp, on Jul 7 2010, 08:06 AM, said:

With the 9 in dummy, I wonder if partner would consider the 10 too valuable for a Smith peter and hence you can deduce little if he plays it on the second round?

I think it depends on his spade holding. With very strong spades where he knows that a spade is likely to be necessary he would play the 10; with a hand where he doesn't see an urgent need for a spade switch he wouldn't.

Yes, sounds very reasonable.
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Posted 2010-July-07, 05:39

Declarer had:

xx, KJx, Qxxx, AKQx

So it was necessary to rise with the ace and switch to spades, which I didn't. Having decided not to rise and switch to spades, even if partner was playing high-low in hearts, I figured it would be better to duck the second heart as well. Sometimes declarer will need three heart tricks for his contract (Qx or Qxx without the T), and then I would get a third chance, since I'd get to see a discard from partner that might help.

It is somewhat of a guess to switch to spades or not. But I think it is right to do so. Even when it's "wrong" (declarer has Qxx), it might not cost. Declarer could have the J or T, for instance. Or enough tricks holding QTx as well.

Should partner have doubled 3NT with AQJTxx, xxx, xxx, x?
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Posted 2010-July-07, 05:39

ugh I definitely don't think so, so many things could go wrong. thanks for the hand though I think it was instructive
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Posted 2010-July-08, 04:34

1) I think that the signalling method worked out badly. If partner could show attitude on first trick, he can show some S/P on the heart tricks
2)I think that xx(x) KJ10x Qxx(x) AKQ is as likely as Qxx(x) KJ10x xx(x) AKQ, but passive play works only if declarer is missing some 10's
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