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#1 User is offline   kfay 

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Posted 2010-July-06, 09:52

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You open 1♦ and partner bid 1♥, what's your plan?

To give some general direction, in our system we use the 4♦ rebid as showing 4=6 in the reds with solid diamonds, etc. I've long been somewhat averse to this bid due to its mercurial shortcomings... does anyone have it more well defined?
i.e. how would partner know to leap majestically to grand with xxxx AQ98 J9 Axx and stay in 4 with the blacks reversed?

Anyway the unknown location of your stiff bothers me.

On this hand I chose a middle-of-the-road 3♥... maybe it's a weak bid in hindsight.
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Posted 2010-July-06, 10:01

3♠ splinter and trust partner thereafter. Hopefully get a 4♠ bid in later if partner is interested.

EDIT: Maybe I don't have a good reason for this without thinking more, but in an auction like this I've felt it's nicer to get a void across before a fantastic suit before a singleton, so I'm content keeping quiet about my diamonds for now.
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Posted 2010-July-06, 10:51

3♠. Willing to boost this to the 5 level if partner offers a little encouragement.
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Posted 2010-July-06, 11:28

kfay, on Jul 6 2010, 10:52 AM, said:

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You open 1♦ and partner bid 1♥, what's your plan?

To give some general direction, in our system we use the 4♦ rebid as showing 4=6 in the reds with solid diamonds, etc. I've long been somewhat averse to this bid due to its mercurial shortcomings... does anyone have it more well defined?
i.e. how would partner know to leap majestically to grand with xxxx AQ98 J9 Axx and stay in 4 with the blacks reversed?

Anyway the unknown location of your stiff bothers me.

On this hand I chose a middle-of-the-road 3♥... maybe it's a weak bid in hindsight.

If 4♦ doesn't show this hand what hand does it show?
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Posted 2010-July-06, 11:38

3♥? xxxx Qxxxx xx xx? Heck I like 6♥ right now better than that, it needs very little and even when wrong often needs little more than the wrong lead.
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Posted 2010-July-06, 16:45

I don't like 4♦ much either, not with a void, you have to live with 3♠ this time.

The way to find the grand is to bid 4♠ over 4♣ and then 7 if partner bids 5NT after 4NT
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Posted 2010-July-07, 03:06

3♠ splinter
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Posted 2010-July-07, 04:59

I would bid 3♠ too, gives partner much more information to work with in evaluating his hand again. If you can manage to get your void accross next you basically just need to know about keycards to find small or grand slam.
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Posted 2010-July-07, 05:18

Although 4D! describes the hand, I agree with you on it's "mercurial shortcomings".

The 3S! splinter, as others have suggested, offers more bidding room if slam is on the horizon.
If partner makes a 4C courtesy cue, you could then use the Meckwell gadget for RKC when Hts are trump:
4S! = regular RKC ( no void ) and
4NT! = Voidwood, excluding the Sp Ace.
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Posted 2010-July-07, 05:50

my feeling tells me not to bid 4♦ with that void.

That leaves 3♠ and 3♥. I'll stretch and try 3♠.
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