[Little Kid]

I assume different vulnerabilities and seat will also affect this significantly. Would you open stronger hands 2♠ r/w in 2nd seat than in 1st seat? Under which other conditions (if any) would you open a solid suit with 2♠? Finally, what would be the minimum for you to open 2♠ in 1st seat r/w with a 6-3-3-2 shape.

EDIT: Scoring is IMPs if it affects your answer.

[TylerE]

All of those are too good for me, but I normally play a strong club so my one bids are a bit weaker than typical.

[ArtK78]

All of these look fine to me. Red vs. White weak two bids are allowed to be constructive. The important point is that the suit is good and not the rest of the hand.

Some players object to opening a weak two bid in one major holding three cards in the other major.

[Quantumcat]

I might open the last one 2♠ at unfavourable, but besides that, any excuse to open as high as possible is good enough for me.

As to not opening 2♠ holding three hearts: the more you restrict your pre-empts, the easier it is for your opponents to play, bid and defend! When you open a pre-empt, you are already pretty much saying this isn't our hand so who cares what you have so long as there's no extreme disasters if you have to play it. A few days ago an old lady gave me a stormy lecture when I held four spades in my 3♥ opening, when she declared four spades and played the spade suit is a way that couldn't cope with me holding four, and she went down.

[pooltuna]

IMPS or MP?

[Vampyr]

Quantumcat, on Sep 30 2009, 10:18 PM, said:

As to not opening 2♠ holding three hearts: the more you restrict your pre-empts, the easier it is for your opponents to play, bid and defend! When you open a pre-empt, you are already pretty much saying this isn't our hand

This is why people who don't choose the top as maximum will open 1♠ on the other hands. At least I think so. I would.

[effervesce]

They all look fine to me at unfav vul.

[gwnn]

I dont open 2♠ with the ones with an outside jack.

[Cyberyeti]

All these are too good, but then Jxxx and out is one of our weak 2s in the right seat.

[kfay]

None of these is too strong for me to open 2♠. Sometimes you have a maximum!!!

[andy_h]

I would open all of these 2♠ at 1st seat r/w and consider the first two a near maximum (I'm allowed to have a max for a preempt, right?) with the last three being ok. Really really hate being 6322 especially when r/w and the extra random jack doesn't do anything for me unless it becomes ♠J. I would definitely prefer something like ♠KQJ109x ♥- ♦Kxx ♣xxxx than the last 3 hands.

Being in 2nd seat doesn't affect my decision on these hands since my good suit decreases the chances of opponents penalty passing. And yes, I would open stronger hands 2♠ r/w in 2nd seat such as AKQJxx x xxx xxx but otherwise I tend to open 1 (or 3) under other conditions.

Assuming your last question is asking for 6322 shape, the minimum would be KQJ1098 (no intermediates for the opponents!) but that doesn't mean I would always do it as the state of the match might affect my decision.

[andy_h]

Cyberyeti, on Oct 2 2009, 12:52 AM, said:

All these are too good, but then Jxxx and out is one of our weak 2s in the right seat.

Good luck finding the sacrifices at the right time, if you know when that is.

[Fluffy]

2♠ with all of them at second position, at first position it varies by partner.

[jdonn]

All but the first for me. It actually has as much to do with the Jxx being in the other major as it does with the ten of spades. It makes it more likely we belong in hearts.

[aguahombre]

Unfortunately our follow-ups are so grossly antiquated that we cannot show a solid suit and pinpoint the outside JXX, but 2S on all anyway.

[Phil]

I would open the 6(322)'s with a "weak" 2 but the first two are too strong IMO.

[bill1157]

Phil, on Oct 1 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

I would open the 6(322)'s with a "weak" 2 but the first two are too strong IMO.

the important issue here isn't whether you open a weak 2, but that you do open the hand. The only wrong answer is "pass: this hand is too good for a weak 2 and not good enough to open 1♠"

Bill

[Phil]

bill1157, on Oct 1 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Phil, on Oct 1 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

I would open the 6(322)'s with a "weak" 2 but the first two are too strong IMO.

the important issue here isn't whether you open a weak 2, but that you do open the hand. The only wrong answer is "pass: this hand is too good for a weak 2 and not good enough to open 1♠"

Bill

Sorry. Yes I open the hand.

There isn't a hand that I would open a weak 2, but would pass if the hand was better, assuming the suit is held constant.

[zasanya]

2♠ always at all vul 1st 2nd 3rd position.Pass out posiition 1♠ .What can go wrong?

[aguahombre]

zasanya, on Oct 2 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

2♠ always at all vul 1st 2nd 3rd position.Pass out posiition 1♠ .What can go wrong?

I guess 2s means something else to you in passout position, but opening one in that seat is begging for competition with tricks in only your suit. I don't like it.