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Matchpoints, favorable.
Axx
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Kxxx
QJ98x
(1D)-??
Disgusting but right?
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Posted 2008-May-01, 11:52
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 11:56
what's so disgusting? 
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:05
yes. passing is indeed disgusting, and indeed right, imo.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:07
Favorable at mps?? I'm in!
You know what always happens to me here is next hand makes a negative double with 3-5 in the majors but they find their 9 card heart fit anyway. I'm preemptively bitter.
You know what always happens to me here is next hand makes a negative double with 3-5 in the majors but they find their 9 card heart fit anyway. I'm preemptively bitter.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:07
2♣: Right?Time/result will tell.
Disgudting? Not at all.
Disgudting? Not at all.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:10
Anything but pass is sick. I'd rather balance with 3♣ (over 2M) than overcall 2♣ directly. If you overcall on this kind of garbage how do you EVER have a constructive competitive auction?
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:34
TylerE, on May 1 2008, 02:10 PM, said:
Anything but pass is sick. I'd rather balance with 3♣ (over 2M) than overcall 2♣ directly. If you overcall on this kind of garbage how do you EVER have a constructive competitive auction?
Passing is sick, especially against bad opponents.
There's virtually 0 risk of going for a number here, and the preemptive + lead directional value far outweighs the risk of getting overboard. Besides, partner should be cutting us some major slack for (1♦)-2♣ at MPs.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:38
I would find it disgusting if anybody would pass with the 3154 hand with the AK of diamonds over 1 spade, but would bid 2 clubs with this drek.
No, I'm not going to check names across the two posts.
No, I'm not going to check names across the two posts.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:38
2♣, wooooooo.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:42
jtfanclub, on May 1 2008, 02:38 PM, said:
I would find it disgusting if anybody would pass with the 3154 hand with the AK of diamonds over 1 spade, but would bid 2 clubs with this drek.
No, I'm not going to check names across the two posts.
No, I'm not going to check names across the two posts.
These two situations are completely different. This is like saying "I would find it disgusting if anybody would fold AQ after a raise, but would raise with AJ over a call"
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:50
Disgusting? Didn't I get ♣98 for a reason?
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:54
Apollo81, on May 1 2008, 01:42 PM, said:
These two situations are completely different.
No, the situations are exactly the same. It's a 2/1 overcall in which you have a singleton in an unbid major.
The scoring is different- one is MPs NV, the other is IMPs Vul. If the decision on both is based on venue, say so. Me, I don't buy it. On the one hand, Match Points gives you a little more leeway when NV. On the other hand, -150 is probably a loss of 1 or 2 IMPs, but darn close to a 0 in MPs. I would not feel more comfortable if partner raised me to 3♣ on this one if we were NV in MPs than if we were Vul in IMPs. Partner knows the scoring too.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 12:56
jtfanclub, on May 1 2008, 11:54 AM, said:
Apollo81, on May 1 2008, 01:42 PM, said:
These two situations are completely different.
No, the situations are exactly the same. It's a 2/1 overcall in which you have a singleton in an unbid major.
The scoring is different- one is MPs NV, the other is IMPs Vul. If the decision on both is based on venue, say so. Me, I don't buy it. On the one hand, Match Points gives you a little more leeway when NV. On the other hand, -150 is probably a loss of 1 or 2 IMPs, but darn close to a 0 in MPs. I would not feel more comfortable if partner raised me to 3♣ on this one if we were NV in MPs than if we were Vul in IMPs. Partner knows the scoring too.
Overcalling 1♦ is not the same as overcalling 1♠.
Also, a holding like QJ98x is much more offensive than AKxxx (though obviously AKxxx is a better holding).
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Posted 2008-May-01, 13:12
rogerclee, on May 1 2008, 01:56 PM, said:
Overcalling 1♦ is not the same as overcalling 1♠.
Especially if the 1♦ opening is somewhat amorphous as in standard 5-card major systems.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 13:47
I would overcall against the best players in the world, and I would overcall if they opened 1S.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 14:09
My concern has nothing to do with going for a number. If this is a 2♣ bid, how does partner ever know what's going on when (1♦) - 2♣ could be on:
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Posted 2008-May-01, 14:28
You overcall a major with both hands too (in fact lighter than the first one) and somehow seem to survive.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 14:35
A 2♣ bid here likely causes more problems for the opponents than it creates for us, so why not. 
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Posted 2008-May-01, 14:41
jtfanclub, on May 1 2008, 02:54 PM, said:
Apollo81, on May 1 2008, 01:42 PM, said:
These two situations are completely different.
No, the situations are exactly the same. It's a 2/1 overcall in which you have a singleton in an unbid major.
you think (1♠)-2♣ and (1♦)-2♣ are exactly the same...
wow.
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Posted 2008-May-01, 14:42
TylerE, on May 1 2008, 02:09 PM, said:
My concern has nothing to do with going for a number. If this is a 2♣ bid, how does partner ever know what's going on when (1♦) - 2♣ could be on:
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I open 1♠ with both AKTxx xx KJx xx and KQxxx AKJx Ax Kx, how does partner know what is going on?
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