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How high? Portland regional KO finals

Poll: What's your bid? (24 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your bid?

  1. 5 [CL] (5 votes [20.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.83%

  2. 6 [CL] (11 votes [45.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.83%

  3. 7 [CL] (4 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. Fool around with psyches (2 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  5. Lead directing double (you chicken) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Pass (2 votes [8.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  7. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   CSGibson 

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Posted 2008-February-20, 01:05

Scoring: IMP

3♣-(4♣)-?


4♣ is explained as Michaels. What do you bid from here?


Edit: I just realized that X is not necessarily lead directing, but could have other calls. Feel free to use your own interpretation of that bid as whatever you usually play, of course.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 01:22

6♣. 7♣x is not guaranteed to be good at all.

I hope I never get creative enough at this game to psyche or pass.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 02:23

Pass. They may make a mistake, probably not, but you know of course what 6C will get you. At favourable vul I would bid 7.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 03:23

I'm going to bid 5♣ and when they bid 5 over 5, I'll let them play there because they could be one too high or one too low.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 04:32

gonna psyche a 4NT bid here.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 05:53

I can't imagine a non 6♣ bid
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Posted 2008-February-20, 06:15

I prefer seven clubs.

I expect partner to have six or seven clubs with a trick/half trick outside. I think it will be very easy for the oppos to bid a making slam, but not easy to bid a grand if it is making. Anyway this is a game, and we have an opportunity to test the opponents.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 06:50

whereagles, on Feb 20 2008, 11:32 AM, said:

gonna psyche a 4NT bid here.

Too easy to expose IMHO. I think the only psyches that might work are dbl (if that is penalty-oriented) and 4♦. Anyway I bid some number of clubs.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 07:05

5♣. Not so brave, but 6 or 7 could be quite expensive. Not much fun in offering a choice of 1100 or a making slam.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 09:37

I think I'd only bid 5 and see if they stop short.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 09:41

I made a quick vote of 7♣ on this one but on second though I regret this because it probably makes it very easy to bid 7M. So I think I'll bid 6♣ and then 7♣ if it looks like they were happy to just bid 6M but I'll pass 6M if they wanted to bid 7.

Edit: Somewhat surprised by the responses. I don't know what players are generally expecting from 3♣ looking at this hand but for me you'd have to give me some crazy odds for me to bet against them making a grand. I think stopping short of slam is a pipe dream. To me it's about getting them to stop in 6 and then wondering if 7 could be a good sac at this vul, probably it isn't so I wouldn't bid 7 over 6.

My regular partner tells me all the time that if I'm thinking about bidding 7 over 6 I should just bid 7 right now. While for the most part I agree with him there are always exceptions to the rule. Maybe this is one maybe it isn't. I guess it's possible that partner holds an outside A so 7 puts them up against the wall but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 10:16

I bet the whole hand is

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and good ol pard leads a club against 7♥W

wdp


and I think on such a hand it's at least worth a shot to see if W bids only 5, remember he cant make a forcing pass, can always bid 7 over 6 later
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Posted 2008-February-20, 10:27

Kevin, 7M is not going to make.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 10:32

gwnn, on Feb 20 2008, 11:27 AM, said:

Kevin, 7M is not going to make.

my point was it might make on the club lead that is probably coming so 7♣ could offer them fielder's choice
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Posted 2008-February-20, 10:33

Then again, you are not Kevin, are you? :P
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Posted 2008-February-20, 10:44

gwnn, on Feb 20 2008, 11:27 AM, said:

Kevin, 7M is not going to make.

Noble's point is an excellent one but if you're across the table from me, Csaba, then 7 is guaranteed to make because I know that 3♣ isn't based on values. I'm not intending that as a negative comment because personally that's my preference but to say '7 is not going to make' is a really really strong statement.

I'd like to hear your reasoning because I strongly feel that 7 is a favorite.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 11:09

7♣ looks like -4 / -5 most of the time which isn't a profit against a small slam. I'm also very worried we are giving up a ruff/sluff at T1 as Noble discusses.

Psyches are pointless and potentially dangerous here.

I'm bidding 6♣. I'm not disappointed if they bid and make 6 of a major, but I'd like to stop the 1510. 6♣ at least takes away a cue bid which 5♣ doesn't.

If my opponents were totally hopeless, then I might try 5♣ expecting them not bid a slam.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 11:27

Speaking pf psyches, if RHO passed I would bid 4♠.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 12:09

kfay, on Feb 20 2008, 06:44 PM, said:

I'd like to hear your reasoning because I strongly feel that 7 is a favorite.

because 3♣ doesn't deny outside values. It's not that I'm wagering on him having QJ QJ QJ. It's just that I happen to feel opps rate not to have enough pep.
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Posted 2008-February-20, 17:03

Wondering about the logic.

They will bid over 6C and they will get the ruff and discard.

They may not bid over 7C and if they do, they will only get the ruff and discard against total idiots (not us of course).

In terms of penalties, given partner's probably feeble hand, is 1147 so improbable, and -500?
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