[the hog]

Halo, on Feb 21 2008, 06:03 AM, said:

Wondering about the logic.

They will bid over 6C and they will get the ruff and discard.

They may not bid over 7C and if they do, they will only get the ruff and discard against total idiots (not us of course).

In terms of penalties, given partner's probably feeble hand, is 1147 so improbable, and -500?

As you are nv, I wouldn't be surprised by sticks and stones, (-1100).

[CSGibson]

Scoring: IMP

3♣-(4♣)-6♣-(6♠)-All pass

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The winning possiblity this time would have been Apollo's. 5 clubs would have pushed them to 5 spades, but neither would have bid 6. The preemptive raise to 6 clubs gave the ops the excuse to bid it - after all, if we felt it was right to take a really advance sac, then it was probably right to bid the slam...

[gwnn]

east has a clear raise of 5♠.

[Apollo81]

gwnn, on Feb 21 2008, 09:36 AM, said:

east has a clear raise of 5♠.

I disagree. East has no idea whether 5♠ was to make, a sacrifice, or a two-way bid. He similarly has no idea about 5♣. I would pass with the East cards and take the plus. This sort of hand is precisely why I chose a 5♣ response -- all of their bids are so wide ranging they dont necessarily know what to do.

[gnasher]

Maybe West should be able to bid 5D to show a good five-of-a-major bid?

[Halo]

As we see 7C is -800 opposite a completely useless hand (in high card trick terms).

Doesn't make it right of course. I'd agree the answer is the minimum you can get away with. But these are strange opponents who can't get past 5 when you bid 5C. Pity its too late to try the hand as an EW poll.