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#1 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2008-January-29, 09:31

Matchpoints, none vulnerable:

♠ KJTxx
♥ Kxx
♦ Jxx
♣ Jx

RHO you LHO pard
1♣ . 1♠ . 3♣ . dbl
pass ??

3♣ = weak
Dbl = take-out, usually 44 reds.

yer bid?
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Posted 2008-January-29, 09:40

Robson/Segal would probably bid 3♦... I'm not sure what I'd bid at the table, those spades look pretty chunky...
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Posted 2008-January-29, 09:43

If "usually 44 reds" means just that, and not "usually 4/5", then we are beyond the LOTT level.

I wonder if it makes sense to play this double as promising (or "promising") five hearts.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 10:09

"Usually 44" means the expectation is a 44. It doesn't prohibit a 54 or even a 55.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 10:11

3♦ since the last thing we want to do is excite partner, and 3♥ will do just that. I think rebidding spades is awful since partner could easily be 1552 or something
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Posted 2008-January-29, 10:48

3H.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2008-January-29, 11:03

3♦ for me.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 12:50

WTP 3♦.

I don't think "usually 4-4" means anything but "4-4 is a more common distribution to be dealt than 5-4 or 5-5" since anything longer than 4-4 will double anyway.
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Posted 2008-January-29, 13:24

I opt for the discouraging 3♦ for the reasons given by others. BTW, another factor is that partner, with a good hand and 64 in the reds, will usually bid 3♥ with 6=4 but may well choose double with 4=6, especially if the hearts are chunky and the diamonds relatively weak (with chunky hearts, he may fear you won't introduce a weak 4 card heart suit, and, in any event, he may fear not having another chance to suggest the heart suit should LHO bid more clubs).
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Posted 2008-January-29, 17:05

count me in for 3D WTP
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Posted 2008-January-30, 04:04

Thx all. Hands were

♠ xx
♥ AQJ9
♦ KQT9x
♣ xx

♠ KJTxx
♥ Kxx
♦ Jxx
♣ Jx

I posted this because it's a common situation where one might wonder which suit to bid. Diamonds is best because if pard has a 5 card suit, it is more likely to be diamonds than hearts. At MPs, with 5 hearts and 4 diamonds, he might have tried 3♥ on his own instead.

In this case both 3♥ and 3♦ are a make, though. You just need to guess who has the spade ace, and that's easy after LHO leads the ♣K :)
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Posted 2008-January-30, 09:35

3♦.
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Posted 2008-January-30, 10:37

whereagles, on Jan 30 2008, 05:04 AM, said:

♠ xx
♥ AQJ9
♦ KQT9x
♣ xx

I bet partner would bid 4H over 3H.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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