[CSGibson]

Scoring: IMP

Bidding goes:
1♣ (1♠) P P
1N (2♠) to you.

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Ops are experienced tournament players.

Do you make a bid, or are you a passer?

[Apollo81]

Would definitely have doubled. Now I guess I have to act since we could still have a cold heart game.

[Codo]

I understood your pass but agree that X was better.

Having passed, I have no idea how to show my hand now. Is double still take out?
Is 2 NT lebensohl?
I try 3 Heart and hope for the best.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

the first pass is ok, I dont mind a neg. X either.

Now you have to act, after all partner showed
18/19HCP and a bal. hand, i.e. you certainly
have a partial your way and 4H and even 5D
are still possible.

I would say, that X should show a trap pass hand,
i.e. it is a penalty X.
Hence I would go with 2NT as some kind of scrambling,
2-places to play, ... however you call it.
If I fear, that partner wont understand this, than 3H
it is.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[SchTsch]

Would have doubled.

I bid 2NT now.

[FrancesHinden]

I would not have doubled.
I'm not going to try 2NT now because the meaning is slightly murky - it would not surprise me if partner took it as natural.

I bid 3H now.

[whereagles]

Well, I'm going to bid 2NT now because I don't belive it should be natural

Why? Because pard's 1NT was probably based on a good 14 hcp. 2NT requires 23-24 hcp, so I would need to have 9-10 hcp, which I can't have because I passed 1♠. Even if you allow 1NT to be some off-shape 15-16, you'd STILL need responder to have 8-9 hcp to make 2NT and he pretty much rates not to have that. Ergo, 2NT must be the red suits.

This assumes a strong NT system, but it's still valid with a weak NT one.

[helene_t]

3♥. I don't feel strongly about the initial pass.

I think p will take 2N as natural although it makes some sense to play it as this hand.

Btw p's 1NT shows 18-19(20) of course.

[FrancesHinden]

whereagles, on Jan 28 2008, 12:21 PM, said:

Well, I'm going to bid 2NT now because I don't belive it should be natural

Why? Because pard's 1NT was probably based on a good 14 hcp. 2NT requires 23-24 hcp, so I would need to have 9-10 hcp, which I can't have because I passed 1♠. Even if you allow 1NT to be some off-shape 15-16, you'd STILL need responder to have 8-9 hcp to make 2NT and he pretty much rates not to have that. Ergo, 2NT must be the red suits.

This assumes a strong NT system, but it's still valid with a weak NT one.

Sorry? Partner doesn't protect 1S with a 14-count, it shows 18-19 balanced or semi-balanced.

I know that 1NT P P 2S P P 2NT is natural. I'm not at all certain what 2NT should be here, but natural is certainly an option and I don't want to risk it.

[Free]

1♣ - 1♠ - Dbl was obvious...

[pclayton]

I would have doubled previously. The shape makes up for this quacky minimum.

What's 2N now? Sure it isn't natural, but shows 2 places to play. Pard does not imply any level of heart support, although he should be moderately balanced.

[whereagles]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 28 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

Sorry? Partner doesn't protect 1S with a 14-count, it shows 18-19 balanced or semi-balanced.

Maybe that's what it should show, but in practice all my pards seem to have a bal 14 or semi-bal 15-16

[Fluffy]

whereagles, on Jan 28 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jan 28 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

Sorry?  Partner doesn't protect 1S with a 14-count, it shows 18-19 balanced or semi-balanced.

Maybe that's what it should show, but in practice all my pards seem to have a bal 14 or semi-bal 15-16

What? do you mean you ever pass 1♠ to leave the decision to partner?

[whereagles]

Fluffy, on Jan 28 2008, 05:23 PM, said:

whereagles, on Jan 28 2008, 04:55 PM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jan 28 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

Sorry?  Partner doesn't protect 1S with a 14-count, it shows 18-19 balanced or semi-balanced.

Maybe that's what it should show, but in practice all my pards seem to have a bal 14 or semi-bal 15-16

What? do you mean you ever pass 1♠ to leave the decision to partner?

I will bid with most 7 hcps and close to all 8-counts. Will only pass with more if I have a spade stack.

[mikeh]

whereagles, on Jan 28 2008, 11:55 AM, said:

FrancesHinden, on Jan 28 2008, 11:44 AM, said:

Sorry?  Partner doesn't protect 1S with a 14-count, it shows 18-19 balanced or semi-balanced.

Maybe that's what it should show, but in practice all my pards seem to have a bal 14 or semi-bal 15-16

Then get better partners. No good player reopens 1N with 14. BTW, one of the best ways of training partners to bid more reliably is to bid as if they already do. So make the correct call, whatever that may be, and it isn't 100% clear here what it may be, and if partner has the 14 count, well, explain that this isn't normal bridge.

[whereagles]

It's not that clear that you always need 18-19 to bid 1NT, though. Given pard will pass 1♠ with some hands that normally would bid something over 1m, the requirements for a 1NT balancing bid can go 1-2 points lower, say, to 16-17 (which would also show an unbalanced hand, of course). Agree that 14 is taking it too far, though.

[ArtK78]

whereagles, on Jan 28 2008, 12:51 PM, said:

It's not that clear that you always need 18-19 to bid 1NT, though. Given pard will pass 1♠ with some hands that normally would bid something over 1m, the requirements for a 1NT balancing bid can go 1-2 points lower, say, to 16-17 (which would also show an unbalanced hand, of course). Agree that 14 is taking it too far, though.

A 1NT rebid by opener opposite a passed partner shows better than a strong 1NT opening bid. Any other treatment is not standard or normal.

[whereagles]

ArtK78, on Jan 28 2008, 06:22 PM, said:

A 1NT rebid by opener opposite a passed partner shows better than a strong 1NT opening bid. Any other treatment is not standard or normal.

In direct seat, sure. In pass-out seat, not necessarily. Even if you DEFINE it to be 18-19 in the pass out, there will be a couple of hands you'd want to bid 1NT with, say,

1♣ (1♠) pass (pass)
1NT

♠ AQJx
♥ Ax
♦ xx
♣ KQxxx

[jdonn]

I'd be quite happy to pass with that hand. If partner is short in spades he has nothing, so if he has any values then he has some spade length and the opponents are completely in the wrong suit. I can smell dummy's singleton spade already.