[Fluffy]

Opponents vulnerable.

♠AKQxx
♥Ax
♦AQx
♣A10x


N - S
2♦!-3♦!
3♥!-4♣
4♠-??


2♦!= major weak 2 suiter (5-4 at least), wide ranged preempt.
3♦!= Spade fit limit or plus.
3♥!= minimum from THREE posibilities (3♠ would be intermediate, others maximum)
4♣ is a normal cue.

[hrothgar]

This is impossible to answer without knowing more about your agreements.

Partner presumably has a minimum without the King of Hearts. However, we have not idea what a minimum looks like. For example could partner table?

♠ xxxx
♥ Qxxxx
♦ xx
♣ xx

[gwnn]

Let's just hang partner here. 5♠.

[hrothgar]

gwnn, on Jan 20 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

Let's just hang partner here. 5♠.

5♠ is pointless holding AKQxx of Spade.

Partner is guaranteed to hold a miserable trump suit and will never press on.

All you're doing is ensuring that you play 5♠ rather than 4.

[helene_t]

I suppose I must pass this one. Otherwise I don't see the point of my 4♣ bid.Personally I would have bid 6♠ over 3♥.

[the hog]

gwnn, on Jan 20 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

Let's just hang partner here. 5♠.

Why? I agree with Richard; what is your 5S bid designed to achieve?
I pass. This is a very poorly designed responding structure when we can find out nothing about partner's shape.

[gwnn]

hrothgar, on Jan 20 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

gwnn, on Jan 20 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

Let's just hang partner here. 5♠.

5♠ is pointless holding AKQxx of Spade.

Partner is guaranteed to hold a miserable trump suit and will never press on.

All you're doing is ensuring that you play 5♠ rather than 4.

seeing as nothing is described about the system, 5M is often bid as "let's play slam if you like your hand (in the context of what you've shown up til now)".

[hrothgar]

gwnn, on Jan 20 2008, 06:21 PM, said:

hrothgar, on Jan 20 2008, 04:06 PM, said:

gwnn, on Jan 20 2008, 04:47 PM, said:

Let's just hang partner here. 5♠.

5♠ is pointless holding AKQxx of Spade.

Partner is guaranteed to hold a miserable trump suit and will never press on.

All you're doing is ensuring that you play 5♠ rather than 4.

seeing as nothing is described about the system, 5M is often bid as "let's play slam if you like your hand (in the context of what you've shown up til now)".

To date partner has shown a minimum hand that couldn't bid either 4♦ or 4♥ over 4♣...

Show me this miraculous hand that is going to be able to make a forward going bid over 5♠ that is consistent with the previous bidding and is missing the AKQ of trump

[gwnn]

xxxxx
QJxxx
x
xx

[mikestar]

Partner has the most minimum hand possible for your system. If he can have poor suit quality in both majors, he does: pass. 5♠ is pointless as others have said.

If your methods require that he has a good suit in at least one major, then 6♠ directly over 3♥ would have been correct: there must be a decent play for slam and a grand is out of the question if partner can't show even intermediate values.

[hrothgar]

gwnn, on Jan 20 2008, 09:35 PM, said:

xxxxx
QJxxx
x
xx

I don't see how opener is supposed to understand that this hand is worth accepting a game try. However is opener supposed to now that Heart cards are critical rather than Spade honors or Diamond shortness or whatever.

Moreover, responder would need a ridiculously strong hand for slam to have a decent chance at making. Here responder is tabling the AKQ of trump, three other Aces and the Queen of Diamonds and slam is still 50% on a club lead.

I think that its much more responsible to treat 5♠ as a more traditional trump quality ask rather than having it be completely random...

[gwnn]

perhaps it's more sensible but I see no description of it anywhere. anyway, I have to concur, a lot depends on the range of pd. opposite any sane range pressing to 6 is pretty much mandatory

[Codo]

I would bid 6 Spade.

Yes he has "nothing" green opps. red and he denied a control.
But opposite xxxx,QJTxx,xxx,x slam is great, so I cannot pass.

[brianshark]

I think pard is more likely to have JTxx Qxxxx xx xx. I think I'll pass.