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Posted 2007-May-04, 11:04

Scoring: MP




South's hand the bidding is:
S____W____N____E
________ __ P___ 1
P____1____P___2
P____3____P___3NT
P____4NT___P___5
P____6NT___Double__ALL Pass

3=force
4NT =Blackwood
5 =2A
And your lead is ....?
the answer is here: http://www.freewebs....otsev/ataka.pdf
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Posted 2007-May-04, 11:10

I think pard has the AQ. There's just enough room if we trust our opps bidding.

By the way, I don't think there's a clear 'answer' to these doubles of 6N. I think we need to look at out hand and reason it out.

If I held Qxxxx for instance, I'd have a sneaking suspicion that pard is doubling for some other reason.
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Posted 2007-May-04, 11:18

Marshall Miles would say it's for a diamond. I have told him for years and I'll tell him untill I die, it's not, if partner has AK of diamonds it's just too bad. This double calls for a spade, period, they could so easily have 12 tricks by running diamonds if partner has AQ of spades.

(After looking at the link)

Like I said, just too bad, double doesn't call for this lead. Also double is foolish because it will tell declarer spades aren't breaking and a smart one would usually have a squeeze on north because the double told him how to play it, then instead of giving up a slam you give up a slam doubled. In this case that doesn't happen because we are kind enough to hold the heart queen, and diamond ten.
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Posted 2007-May-04, 11:21

This is clearly a lightner double, calling for an unusual opening lead. There are two possible unusual opening leads here, a spade and a diamond. Because of this, we quickly rule out a club or heart lead.

If ruffing a trick was a consideration, I guess I might start a diamond. But that is not an issue. So partner thinks he can either cash two quick tricks, or establish a second trick on the opeing lead.

There are a lot of hands partner could have. AQ of spades is one, but on this auction, he would expect the slam is down if the 1S-3S bidder can not run his spades. So, oddly enough, since the 1S-3S bidder is the STRONG guy, if partner is beating it on any lead, he can double (so with AQ he can double and it will in all likelhood go down no matter what I lead). Other hands are partner is AK of diamonds, that is far fetched. Partner could be KQ of diamonds and Ace of spades, but then they hardly have their bids (29 hcp maximum).

All in all, I will go with the premise that if partner has two spade tricks on this auction they are not going anwhere (could be wrong), and lead a diamond. I doubt the 2D rebidder can take 12 tricks without setting up spades.
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Posted 2007-May-04, 11:46

I just saw the link too. (Hidden):
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Posted 2007-May-04, 11:51

Not only that, it also doesn't look like much of a Lightner x either.
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Posted 2007-May-04, 12:16

If somebody say -" I'l NEVER lead after this double, He'l NEVER beat the contract, even without DOUBLE B)
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Posted 2007-May-04, 12:27

Against suit slams, the double is often used to indicate a void and so judgment is required. Against NT slams, it is my opinion that a double asks for the first suit bid by dummy. Partners should discuss whether this means the first real suit (for example an auction might be 1C(precision) later ending in a slam with opener as dummy) or whether it just means first suit period. But I do not think it should be I have AK in declarer's suit. For one thing, it will virtually never happen. Partners are not going to be able to figure out variations, and even if they could, doubler will not know that partner will be able to figure it out. So the double of a NT slam should tell partner to follow exactly the agreed upon lead. Don't think, just do it.

I seriously doubt that the agreement should be to lead declarer's suit.
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Posted 2007-May-04, 12:40

When does partner want a diamond lead? He needs
AK
KQ+spade stopper (A or K of spades if KQ of diamonds, any spade stopper if KQJ of diamonds)

When does partner want a spade lead? He needs
AK
AQ
K+diamond stopper
K+ace of hearts
K+ace of clubs

The second one is so much more likely that even having the discussion makes little sense to me. You can't cater to everything, so you cater to what is (MUCH) more likely. They could just as easily be running diamonds to make when partner needs a spade lead to set, like slight changes to the hands

KJT9xx
AK
x
AKxx

x
xxx
AKQJxx
QJx
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Posted 2007-May-04, 13:02

spade.
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Posted 2007-May-04, 13:49

Jlall, on May 4 2007, 02:02 PM, said:

spade.

ditto, next hand

I might lead a D without an x. A diamond lead might very well be a passive lead on this auction without the x so without x ..D. ;)
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Posted 2007-May-04, 14:30

I can think of a good reason I'd lead a on this bidding:

I hold the AK.

But then I'd be doubling it myself ;)
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