[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     Pass  1♣    Pass
 1♥    Pass  2♠    Pass
 4♠    Pass  4NT   Pass
 5♣    Pass  5♠    Pass
 Pass  Pass  

[hrothgar]

Better question is why would you want to stop in 5♠....

[inquiry]

In theory you can not. This allows the following type of auction...

1S - 3S
4N - 5C (0 or 3 keys)
5S - 6S

where 6S bidder has 3 keys, he would pass 5S with zero.

On your auction, I am confused. What the bleep was 5C over 4NT? 1 or 4 key cards? Surely the heart ACE must be one. If his partner has one key card, why didn;t EAST bid 5D over 5C to discover the spade queen.

On the bright side for EW, given the 5=0 trump split, 5S is better than 7S. "lucky" Ew didn't get to 7S, unlucky they missed six.

[mike777]

sceptic, on Apr 3 2007, 02:35 PM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: NS Scoring: IMP

♠   ♥ QT632 ♦ QJT872 ♣ 92 ♠ Q982 ♥ AK754 ♦ K53 ♣ 3 ♠ AK43 ♥ J ♦ A4 ♣ AKQ765 ♠ JT765 ♥ 98 ♦ 96 ♣ JT84

West  North East  South

 -     Pass  1♣    Pass
 1♥    Pass  2♠    Pass
 4♠    Pass  4NT   Pass
 5♣    Pass  5♠    Pass
 Pass  Pass  

You cannot any bid now is a grand try of somekind.

btw what is 5c in this partnership?

[pclayton]

Heck if I know, but I do know if they knew all 4 hands, they'd end up in 6N, not 5♠.

S*** happens.

[Winstonm]

This sounds like the typical problem when the partnership doesn't know if it is playing 1430 or 0314. It looks as if 4N bidder assumed 0 or 3 - even then, a Q ask looks right, but who knows.

[HeartA]

I would end up in 7S, a reasonable grand (S3-2 plus some other minor requirement).

[skjaeran]

I'd for sure end up in 7♠ and go down on this layout.

Looks like west used 1430 and east 0314 BW, but maybe some other wheel fell off....

BTW, I'd never raise to 4♠ with the west hand. 2♠ is GF to me, and the west hand is too strong for a jump to game. I'd raise to 3♠, and start a cuebidding sequence. East would bid 3NT (serious).

[Apollo81]

I haven't and don't need to look at the hand given or any of the posts to respond to this question.

Use RKC when you intend to bid slam as long as you're not off two keycards. If you aren't sure whether or not to bid slam upon discovering that you hold all the keycards, then you shouldn't have bid RKC.

[cherdano]

skaeran, on Apr 4 2007, 01:26 AM, said:

BTW, I'd never raise to 4♠ with the west hand. 2♠ is GF to me, and the west hand is too strong for a jump to game. I'd raise to 3♠, and start a cuebidding sequence. East would bid 3NT (serious).

Yes! 4♠ is a crime here.

[FrancesHinden]

So they clearly aren't real experts. But they aren't cheats either, or they'd have played 6NT or 6S (6NT is easier to play, 6S is more fun but looks pretty solid).

[Al_U_Card]

I wouldn't have bid 4S but rather 4NT keycard for spades... ....The hand is perfect opposite a J/S and you know where the trump queen is! Pard can't bid 5S so there is NO problem!

[kenberg]

Assuming you were NS (as I trust you were), I imagine this was not one of your better results. My condolences. Playing online requires an appreciative sense of the absurd.

Notice that I resisted the urge to give the obvious answer to your question: "By signing off in 5S." Oops. My resistance faded.

Added: Ah ha. I just read Frances' post. She appears to be right. 6S is on ice. They screwed up. Good result your way -

[mhais]

4nt is ace asking if meanig of 5c is no ace i can bid 5s which pd is supposed to pass & if 5c shows 1ace there is no point i stopping at 5 slam is to be bid.