[Walddk]

hrothgar, on Aug 12 2006, 11:01 PM, said:

Walddk, on Aug 12 2006, 11:47 PM, said:

The federations in Poland, France and Italy did long time ago.

It would be interesting to understand why different Federations make the decision to pay for Vugraph coverage.

At the simplest level, I'd assume that there should be a relationship between the size of a national federation, the "real" cost of providing coverage, and the likihood of funding. One would expect that large/wealth federerations like Italy and France would be will to provide coverage for their member. Small/poor ones like the Russia federation would be less likely to pay the (fixed) costs to show a match. Poland is large, but not particularly well off, however, their expenses are (presumably) much lower. I'm especially curious why the Dutch federation isn't covering their matches.

One interesting point:

At the moment, individual federations are making the decision to sponsor coverage of "their" teams. Any idea what happens when the Italians meet the Poles? Will you have two teams covering the same match? Alternatively, will one team get loaned out to cover another match (or just go site-seeing?). The denser the coverage, the greater the chance for this type of overlap and the less efficient the idea of national sponsorship...

I am sure that the federations in the three countries mentioned have sponsors to pay for their vugraph costs. So it's up to other federations to see if they can do likewise. I think we all wish they could.

Regarding your question what some operators may or may not do when Italy play against France, Poland meet Italy, etc.:

We will add an extra match to our schedule, and the operators (who are mostly Polish) won't even get a session off then. Even if they did, I wish them the best of luck. Richard knows very well how demanding it is to be an operator for 2 weeks.

Roland

[Walddk]

Link to running scores in all matches:

http://www.polbridge.pl/wyniki/2006/ec2006...OPENrunda1.html

I have a feeling that we may have to replace the number after "runda" for every round. We shall see.

Roland

[Walddk]

During round 1, DenisO correctly pointed out that all banners were marked identically so that we may lose data for our VG archives. I got in touch with fred at the venue, and he promised to do something about it.

Unfortunately, all files were created in the morning before the start of play, so the errors could not be rectified before round 2. However, fred has confirmed that all will be fine from round 3 Monday and onwards.

Roland

[DenisO]

Walddk, on Aug 13 2006, 09:12 PM, said:

During round 1, DenisO correctly pointed out that all banners were marked identically so that we may lose data for our VG archives. I got in touch with fred at the venue, and he promised to do something about it.

Unfortunately, all files were created in the morning before the start of play, so the errors could not be rectified before round 2. However, fred has confirmed that all will be fine from round 3 Monday and onwards.

Roland

Thanks Roland and Fred.

The news on capturing the Vugraphs so far is good We have managed to get all eight matches from the first two round and they are available (without commentary) on Nikos's site - see :

http://www.sarantako...6/2006-etc.html

I understand, from a thread on rgb, that people with Mozilla may have difficulty opening the links correctly- they open as text files whereas with IE they open, as expected, as bridge movies.. We would be grateful for anyone with Mozilla expertise for help on how to open the links correctly.

[Gerardo]

Unrelated to browser, it just depends on the .LIN -> NetBridgeVu.exe association.

Reinstalling BBO takes care of it, can also be fixed by hand if you know how (in Mozilla/Firefox family, Tools -> Options -> Downloads).

[DenisO]

Gerardo, on Aug 14 2006, 12:16 AM, said:

Unrelated to browser, it just depends on the .LIN -> NetBridgeVu.exe association.

Reinstalling BBO takes care of it, can also be fixed by hand if you know how (in Mozilla/Firefox family, Tools -> Options -> Downloads).

I've got the correct association for the .LIN extension set up in Windows Explorer

As you suggested, I've done a complete reinstall of BBO (after removing via Control Panel) and that's made no difference.

So I'd like to try the other route. I'm using Firefox (v1.5.0.6) - but not as my default browser and when I get to Downloads the window tells me"Firefox can automatically download or open files of certain types". I then click on the button for "view and edit actions" and I've got a list of file extensions, with their file types and the appropriate action. But the .LIN extension isn't there and I can't find a way to add it.

Note that I only have the problem with Nikos's site - I can open the links to .lin files as bridge movies in the BBO Vugraph archive.

Help greatly appreciated

[Walddk]

New fixtures for us:

Tuesday, August 15:
4:30 am New York, 10.30 Paris, 9:30 am London, 6:30 pm Sydney
RR6
Wales v Italy
San Marino v Poland
France v Portugal
Denmark v England


8:15 am New York, 14.15 Paris, 1:15 pm London, 10:15 pm Sydney
RR7
Poland v Romania
France v Russia
Italy v Denmark
Spain v Norway


11:35 am New York, 17.35 Paris, 4:35 pm London
RR8
Sweden v Italy
Norway v France
Latvia v Poland
England v Portugal

[Erkson]

DenisO, on Aug 14 2006, 09:03 AM, said:

So I'd like to try the other route. I'm using Firefox (v1.5.0.6) - but not as my default browser and when I get to Downloads the window tells me"Firefox can automatically download or open files of certain types". I then click on the button for "view and edit actions" and I've got a list of file extensions, with their file types and the appropriate action. But the .LIN extension isn't there and I can't find a way to add it.

Note that I only have the problem with Nikos's site - I can open the links to .lin files as bridge movies in the BBO Vugraph archive.

Help greatly appreciated

Hi, Denis.

I would like to understand better what is your problem.

When you click on that link for instance :
http://www.sarantako...006/etc/r1a.lin
a windows should pop up asking you if you want to OPEN or COPY TO A DISK.
If you click on OPEN you should be able to view the lin file in NetBridgeVu.exe

I understand that for you things don't happen as expected, but I don't understand what happen.

[DenisO]

Erkson, on Aug 15 2006, 05:20 AM, said:

I would like to understand better what is your problem.

When you click on that link for instance :
http://www.sarantako...006/etc/r1a.lin
a windows should pop up asking you if you want to OPEN or COPY TO A DISK.
If you click on OPEN you should be able to view the lin file in NetBridgeVu.exe

I understand that for you things don't happen as expected, but I don't understand what happen.

Hi Erkson

When I click on that link with IE6, a small Download window opens with the option buttons for Open, Save and Cancel. There is also a tick box (which I have ticked) which says "always ask before opening this type of file". If I use the Open option the link opens as a bridge movie - as expected because I have that association set up in Windows Explorer.

However with Firefox, when I click on the link, I don't get a download window with any options. the link immediately opens as a text file. I have found this happening on Nikos's site and also on Yvan Calame's site (http://www.bridgefed...6/etc/index.php) yet when I click on links in the BBO archive (http://bridgebase04....81/vug/?C=M;O=D) they open immediately as bridge movies. It doesn't matter whether I left click to open immediately or right click to get a small menu with an Open option - the link still opens as a text file.

Very odd

[Erkson]

DenisO, on Aug 15 2006, 05:57 AM, said:

It doesn't matter whether I left click to open immediately or right click to get a small menu with an Open option - the link still opens as a text file.

Very odd

Very odd, indeed, but not never-heard.

See :
http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/po...iation_problem/

http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/mandriva-...ns-firefox.html

http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t103...-winxp-wtf.html

http://www.testinged...es/func07g.html

I asked Google for "Firefox file association problem".

Good luck and best regards.
Erkson

[mink]

DenisO, on Aug 15 2006, 06:57 AM, said:

Erkson, on Aug 15 2006, 05:20 AM, said:

http://www.sarantako...006/etc/r1a.lin

Hi Erkson

When I click on that link with IE6, a small Download window opens with the option buttons for Open, Save and Cancel. There is also a tick box (which I have ticked) which says "always ask before opening this type of file". If I use the Open option the link opens as a bridge movie - as expected because I have that association set up in Windows Explorer.

However with Firefox, when I click on the link, I don't get a download window with any options. the link immediately opens as a text file. I have found this happening on Nikos's site and also on Yvan Calame's site (http://www.bridgefed...6/etc/index.php) yet when I click on links in the BBO archive (http://bridgebase04....81/vug/?C=M;O=D) they open immediately as bridge movies. It doesn't matter whether I left click to open immediately or right click to get a small menu with an Open option - the link still opens as a text file.

Very odd

I think the difference between the forum links and the myhands links is that forum links force a new window. My firefox behaves exactly like yours. Somebody should talk to the firefox people because this is not the way I think this should be handled, and this is probably true for documents other than .lin, too.

In the meantime, as a workaround, maybe everybody who creates new links to .lin files on own web pages should use links without the "open in new window" attribute, as this attribute make no sense for .lin files anyway.

Karl

[Walddk]

New fixtures for us. Only 2 rounds in Warsaw tomorrow:

Wednesday, August 16:
4:30 am New York, 10.30 Paris, 9:30 am London, 6:30 pm Sydney
RR9
Bulgaria v Italy
Poland v Serbia
France v Scotland
Spain v Netherlands


8:15 am New York, 14.15 Paris, 1:15 pm London, 10:15 pm Sydney
RR10
Wales v Poland
Netherlands v France
Italy v Ireland
England v Turkey

[DenisO]

I think BBO have reached new heights of excellence with these Championships. Rock steady Internet connections, 8- table coverage, excellent commentaries, a great results service on the Polish web site and superb coordination from Roland.
I do hope this is a sign of things to come from major championships, although I recognise what a huge amount of effort has gone into the planning and organisation by the host nation Poland. Well done BBO and the Poles!

Denis

[DenisO]

OOPs - how could I have forgotten the superb team of operators - after a good internet connection they are the important people!.

[Walddk]

DenisO, on Aug 15 2006, 10:24 PM, said:

I think BBO have reached new heights of excellence with these Championships. Rock steady Internet connections, 8- table coverage, excellent commentaries, a great results service on the Polish web site and superb coordination from Roland.
I do hope this is a sign of things to come from major championships, although I recognise what a huge amount of effort has gone into the planning and organisation by the host nation Poland. Well done BBO and the Poles!

Denis

Organisers of major championships all over the world should be forced to go to the vugraph theatre and see how it can and should be done. The "problem" we may face after Poland is that it can hardly be better, but it can easily be worse.

Then we will all be disappointed because we remember how the Poles did it. It's not easy for White Plains and Shanghai to come immediately after (even during) the European Championships.

All we can do is wish them good luck. I know for a fact that Jan Martel has put a lot of effort into making the USBC a huge success. However, my fear is that she has taken on too much herself. She will also be operating.

I sincerely hope that I am proven wrong.

Roland

[Walddk]

As an example of how much our spectators appreciate the service the Polish organisers are offering, I would like to quote a short article in Wednesday's bulletin:

Congratulations
We receive many communication by email during the
Championships. Here is one we would like to share with you.
It was sent by Romania's Sergiu Ghizelea.

I congratulate The Polish Bridge Union for organising
the EBL Championships, for BBO-Vugraph transmissions
(really first class quality) but there is a 'Nec Plus
Ultra' that I want to underline:

The software by Jan Romanski for evaluating and presentation
of results is AMAZING, AMAZING, AMAZING!
That is what I always want and I did not hope to find
it! I can myself analyse any board for every team, even for
every player!

It's as if I can watch the play of all the teams
at the same time! I'm really delighted to be able to do
that! Hearty congratulations to the author and thank you
very, very much to the people that have enabled the introduction
of this immense quantity of data!

[the saint]

It is just amazing and all involved are to be congratulated. As people have mentioned, this is now the standard by which others will be judged.

A few ideas on how the 'complete' experience may be possible. I think it was while watching a European Poker Tour event on TV that the commentary mentioned some of the technology that was coming into play. One thing that was mentioned was playing cards with chips in them to distinguish them from each other. The table then had sensors which could pick the cards up so players wouldn't have to show them to the tiny cameras that are now mounted on the tables. If such a thing were applied to bridge, then card play could be completely tracked and we wouldn't be left with incomplete play records and we might get a real-time feel for the players tempo. This might cut down the operator's workload or if a similar principle where able to be applied to the bidding mechanism, remove it altogether. It might also prove invaluable to directors and allow proper timing of teams speed of play when calculating slow play.

I am in no way decrying the performance of the operators who are fantastic and deserve all the credit they get for performing such an involved task with the level of precision they do, I am just floating ideas on where the next generation of vugraph may go.

It is also inevitable that cameras will be mounted on each table allowing TV/webcasting. No doubt this will be supplemented by live audio commentary from experts all over the globe. Exciting prospect isn't it!!

In the meantime, I would just like to re-iterate how fantastic this show is and I hope to be available to commentate on a fw more matches!!

Alan

P.S. I'm having to time my visits to the internet machine at work very carefully so my boss doesn't see me on www.polbridge.pl all time time desperately catching up with the latest news!! If I still have a job at the end of these two weeks it will be a miracle!!

[Gerardo]

Firefox issue thread opened at Firefox and LIN files.

[uday]

From psbridge on BBO

PDF versions of the matches

http://www5b.biglobe...ords/index.html

[Walddk]

New fixtures. From RR12 (women and seniors starting) we will be adding a 5th match in every round.

Thursday, August 17:
4:30 am New York, 10.30 Paris, 9:30 am London, 6:30 pm Sydney
RR11
Turkey v Italy
Poland v Denmark
France v Iceland
Israel v Norway


8:15 am New York, 14.15 Paris, 1:15 pm London, 10:15 pm Sydney
RR12
Sweden v Poland
Spain v France
Italy v Portugal
Norway v Croatia
England v France (seniors)


11:35 am New York, 17.35 Paris, 4:35 pm London
RR13
England v Norway
Poland v Bulgaria
Italy v Russia
Luxembourg v France
Russia v France (women)