Has U.S. Democracy Been Trumped? Bernie Sanders wants to know who owns America?
#11141
Posted 2018-September-30, 14:57
#11142
Posted 2018-September-30, 15:00
Given the restrictions on their investigation, its hard to imagine how they can turn up anything.
In particular, the fact that they can not talk to Swetnick is a travesty.
#11143
Posted 2018-September-30, 16:59
hrothgar, on 2018-September-30, 15:00, said:
Given the restrictions on their investigation, its hard to imagine how they can turn up anything.
In particular, the fact that they can not talk to Swetnick is a travesty.
I believe I also saw that Swetnick has a history of filing lawsuits that puts her low on the credibility scale.
I am more optimistic. Surely they can find a number of people that saw him falling down drunk, especially at Yale and maybe even the guy that yelled out "Hey, Kavanaugh just stuck his penis in Debbies face".
His calendar and Mark Judges employment records may well pinpoint July 1st as a credible date for the attempted rape and they can find and interview any number of his frat bro's from Yale including about Swetnicks claims.
Let the FBI unleash a ton of resources on the other 2 allegations. I understand they are really good at this.
What is baby oil made of?
#11144
Posted 2018-September-30, 17:19
ggwhiz, on 2018-September-30, 16:59, said:
I am more optimistic. Surely they can find a number of people that saw him falling down drunk, especially at Yale and maybe even the guy that yelled out "Hey, Kavanaugh just stuck his penis in Debbies face".
His calendar and Mark Judges employment records may well pinpoint July 1st as a credible date for the attempted rape and they can find and interview any number of his frat bro's from Yale including about Swetnicks claims.
Let the FBI unleash a ton of resources on the other 2 allegations. I understand they are really good at this.
Hmmnn FBI, Federal Bureau of Instigation? Inveiglement? Incompetence?
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#11145
Posted 2018-September-30, 18:13
ggwhiz, on 2018-September-30, 16:59, said:
Swetnick holds multiple security clearances.
Her work depends on her keeping them.
And she made a sworn deposition.
My take on things: She has an awful lot to lose.
I'd rate her as pretty damn reliable.
Luckily, there is an easy way that we can find out who is telling the truth...
#11146
Posted 2018-September-30, 19:45
Al_U_Card, on 2018-September-30, 17:19, said:
A Jim Jones disciple
What is baby oil made of?
#11147
Posted 2018-September-30, 20:24
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And isn't it a delicious irony that Republicans are crying about Swetnick's history of lawsuit involvements while Dennison's penchant for using lawsuits to his advantage is considered business-savvy?
#11148
Posted 2018-September-30, 20:41
ggwhiz, on 2018-September-30, 19:45, said:
It took me a long time to figure out Al's particular strain of stupid, however, I am pretty sure that he is a LaRouchie.
#11149
Posted 2018-October-01, 02:01
hrothgar, on 2018-September-30, 18:13, said:
Her work depends on her keeping them.
And she made a sworn deposition.
My take on things: She has an awful lot to lose.
I'd rate her as pretty damn reliable.
Not sure about that. Her affidavit is vague enough that it would be hard to disprove.
What really makes it (at least partially) credible is the corroboration from Judge's ex-girl friend.
#11150
Posted 2018-October-01, 09:19
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And what does it say about us, and our political system, that he might well get away with it?
#11151
Posted 2018-October-01, 10:45
Winstonm, on 2018-September-30, 14:57, said:
I was quite disappointed to find the Trastevere area in Rome has significantly declined over the past 4 years, with graffiti everywhere and panhandlers galore - it had turned quite seedy and no longer seemed the inviting and ingratiating place it was when last I visited. I don't know if this change is related to the populist movement spreading throughout Europe, but it made me recall the tour guide we had in 2014 who claimed many younger Italians were turning towards the lure of fascism due to extremely high unemployment within that younger group.
I certainly underestimated the numbers of Americans who would set aside common sense and logic in order to vote for a demagogue and con-man. The issue, though, is all about division. We have separated ourselves into two camps. Without finding again the common bond that helps us all feel prosperous and part of something larger than ourselves, we are in serious trouble.
It is not about making America great again but of making everyone's life good again.
#11152
Posted 2018-October-01, 15:29
Winstonm, on 2018-October-01, 10:45, said:
I certainly underestimated the numbers of Americans who would set aside common sense and logic in order to vote for a demagogue and con-man. The issue, though, is all about division. We have separated ourselves into two camps. Without finding again the common bond that helps us all feel prosperous and part of something larger than ourselves, we are in serious trouble.
It is not about making America great again but of making everyone's life good again.
I spent 10 days in Rome last April. VERY expensive, very beautiful (Villa Ada was exquisite) and FULL of "undocumented" refugees camped out at every retail store and sidewalk, cup-in-hand, looking for handouts. Canada has taken in a lot of Syrian refugees but it was well done. They were "integratable" but the mostly black Roman refugees appear to be well-dressed but without hope of gainful (legal) employ. An eventual powder keg, I would expect.
#11153
Posted 2018-October-01, 16:05
How did Kavanaugh know in July that Ramirez was going to invent a false narrative in September?
#11154
Posted 2018-October-01, 17:32
hrothgar, on 2018-October-01, 16:05, said:
How did Kavanaugh know in July that Ramirez was going to invent a false narrative in September?
Maybe he had a vision when he was blacked out from drinking???
#11155
Posted 2018-October-02, 02:06
#11156
Posted 2018-October-02, 05:25
Any ideas about it?
#11157
Posted 2018-October-02, 08:19
What happened to the two guys who contacted the WaPo saying they were the two who jumped Dr. Ford? Hoax?
As usual, we cannot have the discussion we should be having: Should teen age mistakes in the context of an exemplary legal and personal life -- one might say redemption in action -- bar someone from SCOTUS?
#11158
Posted 2018-October-02, 08:24
Flem72, on 2018-October-02, 08:19, said:
No, but lying to Congress and evidence of an inability to control anger along with overt partisan bias should be enough, don't you think?
#11159
Posted 2018-October-02, 09:57
Winstonm, on 2018-October-02, 08:24, said:
Exactly. Kavanaugh's reaction to the allegations and the process surrounding it have shown his true colors. The bar for getting on the Supreme Court should be far higher than "not a sexual predator", it should be more like "has impeccable character and is able to judge things dispassionately and without personal bias".
Is that what we saw when he was shouting at Democratic Senators on Thursday?
#11160
Posted 2018-October-02, 10:34
Flem72, on 2018-October-02, 08:19, said:
As usual, we cannot have the discussion we should be having: Should teen age mistakes in the context of an exemplary legal and personal life -- one might say redemption in action -- bar someone from SCOTUS?
I prefer a much simpler discussion:
How many lies did Kavanugh tell during sworn testimony before the Senate on Thursday?
Plenty of time to discuss his teenage mistakes during his impeachment hearings.
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